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Hi All
This is my second time here on the forum, www.oscarfishlover.com/forum/12-please-introduce-yourself/304624-hello-from-the-top-of-down-under?limitstart=0 this is the link to my first visit.
Last time I bought my Oscar as an impulse buy with no real thought. As you may read in my last visit I had a lot going on in my life and had not refreshed my technical language. I ended up getting rid of the last Oscar due to the arrival of my second son and time to spend on fish was impossible.
My two boys both asked for fish tanks in there room about a month or two ago so once again I have started setting up tanks with the misses pulling her hair out with all these tanks popping up. I received a 1220 x 455mm tank for free from a friend saying they did not use it any more, I thought it was Oscar time. The misses put her foot down and said no more tanks in the house so I have set it up on my veranda. This has allowed me to set it up in away I have been dying to try for some time. I can use my water straight from my bore so the new tanks has auto water change twice a day via my irrigation, when my irrigation turns on it fills the tank and the excess over flows back into my garden, I have not measured it yet but estimate 20ltrs a day. I will not be relying on just this to keep the water clean I will also have a bucket filter set up I'm just waiting for the pump.
I will post some pics as soon as I work out how to post them again. OK I worked it out yeah.
Oscar (original I know but you tell a three year old) is sulking as he was only moved into the tank that day but he was already eating just not talking to me. Also excuse the mess.
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SantaMonicaHelp replied the topic: Hello from top of down under again

Welcome (back) to the community, Rumpig. I hope all goes well with your oscar; it's pretty nice looking.

How has it been doing since you posted this?

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Hi Kamran
He is settling ok, he is still a bit shy but soon gets over it for food.
I have the bucket filter up and running now but still waiting for my bigger pump.
I will post some more pics when he is a little more photogenic.
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SantaMonicaHelp replied the topic: Hello from top of down under again

Sounds good to me. Nice to hear that it's eating well.

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Rumpig replied the topic: Hello from top of down under again

He is dead, He died last night. I'm gutted mostly because I do not know why he died.
Here is what happened.
The morning of your reply, on my way to work I feed him a block of frozen blood worms, He rushed up and eat them as normal.
After work he was lying on the bottom not like he normally did but I guessed I might have spooked him and thought nothing of it. I later returned to feed him his evening meal, but after dropping the prawn meat in he just laid on the bottom, I left him alone in case he was still spooked but after about 10 minutes he had not eaten his food. I removed hi food and tested the water. Ammonia, Nitrite and nitrate all were zero on my test kit, so I figured it was not the water.
The next day when I left for work he was now up the top of the tank with a big white poo hanging from him, I guessed that maybe the prawn meat had clogged him up(he had already had 3 meals of prawn meat), when i returned from work he looked the same maybe slightly better. I left him alone to work out his problem.
The next morning he was dead

Any ideas? Can baby Oscars process prawn meat(chopped not whole)

I have thrown some pound guppies in the tank to keep the bio load up for the filters while I try and work out what happened.
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Suprd71 replied the topic: Hello from top of down under again

Sorry you lost the little fella. A couple of things stand out. Zero ammonia and nitrite are always the goal, but zero nitrate is basically impossible in a fully cycled system. Regardless of the constant flow of fresh water, you should read some nitrate. What kind of test kit are you using, and is it possibly expired? Tiger prawns contain a high concentration of Thiaminase, and while its very unlikely a meal or three did any damage, its also not impossible. Frozen bloodworm is crap imo. Its 3/4 moisture, little to no nutritional value. Its most likely that you will never know for certain what befell the Oscar, but gaining any valuable info may help should you try again. I would also caution against relying on a batch of guppies to maintain a bioload heavy enough to keep the bio filter viable, if it was even established in the first place.


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I used API 5 in one test strip PH, NO2, NO3, KH and GH as well as API test kit with the drops which also include NH3/NH4. I was surprised to see no Nitrate but then I thought maybe due to the plant and the water changes. The test results are exactly the same as my tap water.
For learning purposes what if the filter was not cycled but there was nothing showing up, what would be wrong with that? to me this would mean the water changes are clearing all waste, I did think that maybe there is to much water changing that there would not be enough bio waste to feed the bacteria, but in my thinking that would be a good thing as long as the water changes were kept up, of course if something did prevent it there would be an ammonia spike as the tank tried to cycle.
Also if it was due to the tank not being cycled wouldn't there be a high ammonia reading?
Is there something else that a cycled filter does other than turn waste into ammonia then nitrite and finally nitrate? Is there something missing in my thinking?
Please note I'm not trying to argue if it comes across that way I just want to learn as I have never done an auto water change tank before and want to get it right.

As for the food I only read somewhere recently that blood worms was poor nutrient quality, this was not his main food he also received tropical granules (because I had them and had not bought Cichlid one for him yet) frozen Cichlid mix, peas and prawn meat that were Endeavor prawns (I have never heard of them) they are raw and sold for human consumption.

If you need any other info that may help please let me know. I will test the water again and let you know the results.

Thanks for all your help

Just tested the water again. with closer look the color on the strip is somewhere in between the fist color and the second so that would be a reading of
NO3 10ppm
NO2 0.25ppm
I have not tested for Ammonia yet
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SantaMonicaHelp replied the topic: Hello from top of down under again

I'm sorry to hear that, too. :(

I don't know why it might've died, but hopefully the advice you got will be helpful.

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